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Alright, I know this is a huge thing in the adoptable community (or, well, the art community in general). I just want to say that, while I know for some my prices may be seen as overpriced, in most cases they are auction adoptables and thus people only pay what they're comfortable with (and whether that be $10 or $100+, please be respectful to the people who do choose to spend their money as they like).

I personally feel the art community is urged to underprice themselves. You don't have to agree with me, but that's what I've gathered from seeing artists over the years. But I'm going to talk about my art for this, specifically adoptables, so here's my breakdown: people are purchasing, not only character art, but the time it took to make as well as a character design. What that may be worth to one person may be worth something completely different to another, so I ask that you please respect that.

For auction prices going too high--I can't agree that there should be a point where someone says "that's enough" or should be expected to put in more art/etc. They are selling what is advertised, and the people bidding know this as well and bid accordingly. Why should artists have to be so modest when making an honest profit off of their work (and it is work, as well as a honed skill)? I think that mindset encourages the starving artist issue.

I'm not going to run around shouting "MY ART IS WORTH (HOWEVER AMOUNT) OF DOLLARS." I don't think anything is that clear cut. What may be worth a bunch of money to one person is worth absolutely nothing to someone else, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean it needs to be brought up each time--I find it disrespectful toward the people who are willing to pay for whatever that something may be to have people frequently saying to them that they basically don't know how to spend their own money. I am not here to change your world view so you are free to think whatever and whichever is overpriced, overrated, etc etc--I just ask that you don't bring down my or anyone else's customers and myself/any other artists (you can always send me a note if you'd like to discuss anything!).

Of course, if someone officially puts out a notice of the exact expected worth of different kinds of art, feel free to show me and I'll put my foot in my mouth. But for now, artists are running off no comparison. This isn't bring an ad from a different store to your nearest Walmart for the exact item at a lower price to get an automatic markdown to the listed price--this is art. Each individual piece is different and the "worth" is not clear cut.

And for artists that wish for their art to sell more: you'll get there! Just keep on practicing and putting yourself out there. People aren't just born with skill, nor are they born with watchers/people interested to buy their products. It may take some time but as long as you're dedicated you will get to where you want to be; and as long as you do it honestly, you'll have earned every bit of what you get!


I'm sorry if that was a bit scattered, but that's how my mind is at the moment. I may look over this later and write it out a bit more clearly skmgl. Thank you for taking the time to read this!
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PiraruChan Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Student General Artist
*APLAUSE* indeed, it happened to me....
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I like the way you think. I believe that equality and fair pricing are very sought after gems for fair treatmentand we should respect not only ourselves but for each other,  be copletely honest, forthright and truthful both with ourselves and each other and we should be curious enough to want to ask other people, friends and family, about their jobs and be motivated and excited enough about the prospect of a new and entirely different job,to inquire and ask our fellow workers, friends and family to help train us by showing how they perfor their respective job duties,  teaching us the specific requirements and skills that they have learned on that particular job. In this  way, we would all be working at different jobs but with the knowledge and wisdom that we have accomplished something truly great because everyone took the time to talk with everyone, asked questions of everyone else and we all have been training,  not only ourselves but helping to teach, train and learn from one another. If we all started to really help, teach, train and honestly respected one another as equals. Thank-You for your invaluable input and discussion topic. Have a Great New Year's Eve and Take Good Care of Yourself. OK ? 
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resadoptables Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015
aww gosh thank you! I hope you had a great New Years too!
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The-Bassinator Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Professional General Artist
I got hate mail when I put up a buyout price of 75$ For one of my adopts that was even coloured, no in fact painted. Enough about me though,  I completely support your message here. I believe that people that only do art as a hobby are bringing the professionals art prices lower. Fair enough if your going to sell an adopt/commission for 5$ And your art skill isn't as high as you'd like it to be or your just trying to get rid of that character in exchange for peace of mind. 
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Chii-Tea Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Student Artist
This was great to read and because i am just starting it makes some of the confusion about adopts a little less..thanks for taking the time to post this!
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Vanirue Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very nice completely amazing words you stated c: I'm going to sell adoptables soon and I bumped into this and I read it completely and I agree with everything you have to say especially how high the prices should be (if the artist wants it) when selling adoiptables because they don't only take the artist's drawing and skills they also take the artist's time which time is always precious in my account so yeah Thank you soo much for this Journal :) 
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Awyko Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

and Your Welcome :heart:
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Emberguard Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013   General Artist
"Of course, if someone officially puts out a notice of the exact expected worth of different kinds of art, feel free to show me and I'll put my foot in my mouth. But for now, artists are running off no comparison."

 If there was I'm sure you'd be getting a lot more then you do from your auctions. The closest I've seen to a notice of how much art is worth, is a book with the average amounts professional artists charge in the US called the Graphic Artists Guild Handbook, which if I'm reading it right, you're not getting anywhere near what they recommend. 
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SakuraTenshi101 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I totally agree with this! I mean, I have the hardest time pricing any artwork of mine--adopt or commission--because there are ignorant and cheap people out there. Anything above 100 points/$1 is automatically deemed "too expensive" on DA, unless there's a person who really understands what goes into artwork. 

Heck, someone once told me that 500 points was "too much" for an adopt I really put quality, time, and effort into. And a few months ago, one of my watchers LAUGHED at me during a stream because they had seen the price (800 points/$10) for a fully colored half body commission (with a simple background I put in for free) I was working on and left! I had worked on that commission for 6-7 hours straight, no breaks, and had a stiff hand/wrist afterwards! And it came out great! 

Yet someone was rude enough to laugh at my price for so much work. It really hurt. And what hurts even more is that attitudes like theirs is one of the factors affecting my already existing inability to look at my artwork objectively when I attempt to price them. I'm completely at a loss as to what my artworks' and adopts' individual values would be.
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The-Bassinator Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Professional General Artist
Heya, You should charge a lot more for your custom chibi's, yes I took a quick peek at your work. Say about 3-5 times the amount your originally charging. If your using a base for them maybe 3x what your charging at the moment. :) 
I can't believe that they laughed though, that's just plain rude! 
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SakuraTenshi101 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Student Digital Artist
You think so? That's great to hear that my chibis are worth something ='D I was thinking about jacking the price up a little before I start school again anyways.

Isn't it? I seriously wish people would remember that everyone online is still a real person with real feelings and lives, and not just someone to pick and laugh at. Those people really need to rethink their lives and realize what's really important: bettering themselves and becoming a good person that can uplift those around them, or becoming what everyone would call, to be blunt, the scum of the earth.
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The-Bassinator Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Professional General Artist
Of course they're worth something. If they mean anything to you, then they mean something to everybody else too! 
I totally agree you to push the price up before and during school because you'll have less time to do them. Try not to sell youself short. I'd say charge minimum wage per hour you spend on them plus a bit extra for materials too, since your starting out. :)
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Maybe, but what has a certain price or value to some, it may not carry that same value or price to others, It all depends upon the idea of "Supply and Demand". This business idealogy and theology holds that an items value can and will vary from time to time, depending upon the needs of the population or town at any given time. For example, during the Sumer, there is a far greater need for water jugs and canteens to provide a source of cool, refreshing water. but, at the same time the need for warm blankets to keep warm at night will decrease due to the heat of the day making for warmer nights. Thank-You for your steadfastness with business in mind.  :-D
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SakuraTenshi101 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Ok, that sounds like a good idea. ;v; Minimum wage, I think is about $7.25 here, so I guess I'll start from that. Thanks for the encouragement and the tips! I really appreciate the help. :heart:
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The-Bassinator Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Professional General Artist
:)
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You-re very Welcome. But while the minimum wage may be $7.25 here, that amount may be higher or lower in other parts of the world. While it's sseems to be a fair amount as a starting point fora new job or caree, one should always strive to become more than they were when they first started their new field of endeavor and employment. As we work longer and harder at our workplace or job, as one's skills and knowledge grow and develop, they should also a fair compensation from their respective employers and thus receive higher and better pay, This should also include, but not be limited to, Xtra benefits and better work hours and allowing more opportunities to have a weekend or two off with pay. As you become more adept and qualified in your employment, that wil open up new paths and doors that can lead to higher management positions in the company and gaining more benefits like health and dental plans. Thank-You for expressing a strong but stable work ethic with equality for both yourself and your prospective employers !  :-D
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SakuraTenshi101 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
>v<
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hello ! I see that you-re the type that likes to stand back and just Observe the world and people around you. Thatš very refreshing and shows great promise for a better future. Thank-You for the Thoughtful yet Intriguing moment of Self-Reflection and peaceful attitude. It has been very Pleasing to just relax and breathe for a moment  !   =:-D
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216th Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here's something I haven't seen brought up: each person's perception of the value of money is different. $100 may be pocket change to one person and a hell lot of money to another. It's not just about the value of art being subjective, but the value of money as well. Put the two together and of course you'll get wildly disparate prices. 

(And anyway, who the hell actually wants to sell to penny-pinchers?)
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Perhaps. But one should ask of their own heart how IT would Feel about a higher or loer price, taking into careful consideration the proserity and disposition of both the merchant and the customer.  Then, by carefully and truthfully weighing the cutomers' value of themselves, as an Important and Worthy Entity, against how one places value and worth upon money and other  wordly riches. always be Honest, Forthright and Truthful in all of your dealings and adventures in this life and try not to dwell to much on the  "Rich Man - Poor Man" Concepts. Anyone and Everyone can become quite rich, OR,  Anyone and Everyone can also become Quite poor, at the exact same time, but neither are better, or worse off than the other, rich or poor. Thank-You for your wonderful sense of Curiosity and Inqiusitive Nature. :-D 
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Zephrine Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Fantastic. I agree with you and I feel so inspired! :) thank you
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank-You, Zephrine, I truly appreciate your Feelings. I think that you, to, are far Wise, Intelligent, Truthful and Honorable than anyone wants to give You the Proper Credit for ! Am I Right and Truthful about these Special and Unique Feelings I Have whenever I gaze into Your Lovely Eyes and upon Your Exquisite. Enchanting Form? The asmer is a resounding "YES", as You and I both know all to well ! I think that You and I shall and will be spending long moments and days togther, Sharing with Each Other all that We have Learned and  Experienced in this world, both the good and Bad. I Believe that You and I shall ourselves to be so close and enamored with each other, that we shall truly be of One Mind, Body and Soul...Inseperable and Loving every minute we share together ! Thank-You for your Sharing Your Inner Strength, Pure Heart and True Insight.  :-D  Love  Huggle! Love 
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Zephrine Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for the compliments. :)
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You are most Welcome! If You ever need "A Few" DA Points, just ask and I'll send over "A Few", OK! Cool!  :-D   Nod  
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Captain-Kiryu Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
i agree with this so much i could cry

i often tell anyone who asks why i dont look into art as a career
"people love artists and what we do, but they DO NOT want to pay us"

its pretty fucked up....since if most artists are anything like me, they torture themselves over improving and gaining skill to make their work beautiful for most, if not all of their life
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, that-s very True. But, the Longer, Harder and more Diligently You work at something as Magical and Creative as Art, the Better You become at it untile one day, when You-ll least expect it, those people who were tormenting You WILL become those who are Tormented.It¨s in thee Natural Order of The World that those who are  Blinding themselves to the Real Truth, by pretending  that THEY are the ones who are in charge,  and now they will expect everyone elsewhom THEY deem to be "dumb, stupid or ignorant, perhaps even unworthy", to just bow down and worship THEM ! UH-UH, THAT' NOT GOING TO WORK ! NOT FOR , MY FAMILY, AND, ESPECIALLY NOT MY FRIENDS ! WE WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE NO-ONE...NOT EVER ! I BOW DOWN BEFORE MY HEAVENLY FATHER AND DEFENDER...ONLY ! I will stand with my Family and Friends and I will Defend, Protect and Fight our enemies until the very Bitter End. I aman Honest, Forthright and Respectable Man and a Formidable Force against our enemies. Thank-You for Sharing that Knowledge with me ! :-D
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furesiya Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2013
*breaks fave button*

I'm glad someone as well known as yourself put something up like this.
People see something marked as 20$ and usually think omg, its just a bunch of lines and colors, digital no less, I'm not paying real money for that!
But they think that because chances are, they don't do art themselves.

They don't understand that even at 20$.. chances are that is like 2$ an HOUR. no one works for that. At least no one -happily- works for that.
On top of that is all the skill and knowledge you have to somehow make work. Color theory, design theory, and just plain technical execution. All of which comes from studying and practicing your butt off.

Then in top of THAT you throw in the good old economics of supply and demand. Some styles are more in demand, such as yours so people are willing to pay more than for say some other style so they will pay higher. Etc etc


Its tough to see something you really want but can't afford it.. but that doesn't mean its not -worth- the money to someone somewhere. 
And thats what matters. and that the artists aren't practically working for free...
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
 I am very Impressed with Your Remarkable Intuition and Intelligence ! You are also very astute and You have a magnificent understanding of "THE BIG WORLD". Thank-You for your astute observations and trueism of human nature ! I will do my Best to always keep your Words of Wisom close to my Heart ! :-D
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ReversedClock Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for posting this ;v; I so am completely agree!  May I use piece for my adoptable journal? *I mean I would just put the journal links, not the actual words in it*  of courseonly if you give me permission to do so :')
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, I think that you're posting this into the Adoptable Journal sounds like a Wonderful and Helpful Idea ! Thank-You for being so Nice and Thoughtful !  :-D
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, You have My Permission to do so ! I can<t wait to read the Adoptable Journal after you have Post this in it ! Sounds like Fun !  :-D
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resadoptables Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013
WAH OH GOSH YES OF COURSE FEEL FREE TO USE IT HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE QvQ
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank-You for these Marvelous and Enchanting Gifts ! I will be the very best friend, dad and Protector and I will Care for them all...Always ! I so Swear !  :- D
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resadoptables Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015
oh my gosh you're so sweet! 8 A 8
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ReversedClock Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank youu QAQ *forever your fan* ;v;
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank-You Kindly, Sweet-Heart ! ...and I will always be Your Biggest Fan, to...             4-ever !   <]:-D
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Riku-of-Darkness Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I wish I had enough money to bid for one of your adoptables, but I bear no grudge against those who can afford to. It's not hard to be respectful even if you don't agree or don't understand something. ^_^
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That' a very Brave and Noble statement  and expresses to everyone how Truly Trust-Worthy you are ! Very Well done, my Friend ! :-D
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Moofen Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Your art is worth how much your clients want to pay for it. If someone is willing to spend 100+ dollars on your art, then it's obviously worth that to that particular person. If not, then not.
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You are absolutely and completely Right ! That's a very Wise and Honest answer ! Very Nicely done !  :-)
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Mintini Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2013
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hi, How are You, Sweet-Heart ?  :-D
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envylovr Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:iconbrohugplz: i love you, baby~ ; v; <3 //shot
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i love you to, Baby !  :-D
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Neotokyo6 Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
over pricing is a natural of auction which also be charm and excited that can not find is other way....

the more price go up is mean people try hard to get what they deem value in there sense.
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, but, if the auctioneer is wanting to set the beginning bid amount to high, or higher than the average bidder could ever afford, you'll not only lose your auction Houses, you might be starting a terrible revolt amongst your own town or city dwellers. that's when to many innoceny bystanders can be brutally attacked or even mobbed by the disgruntled protesters. :-D 
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plumbunnies Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2013  Student General Artist
But those auction prices may still be underpriced at industry standard.
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ClayBuchanan1007 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That depends on the way the bidders feel about themselves. Some can be real mean jerks who like to push smaller people around, while, as in my case, I truly have a kind heart and wonderful disposition and I believe in treating everyone with honesty. respect and friendship.  :-}
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machipu Featured By Owner May 6, 2013
this is so well written and i completely agree - what people spend their money on is their own business, likewise it's not always tactful to comment on pricing. maybe if someone's underpricing it would be fine to comment that their work is worth more, but even so that's something that could be better discussed privately. idk.

(on a personal level it annoys me due to the fact i own some collectibles and sometimes even friends give me a hard time about it and i just...how is that ok like wow thanks for blurting out how much they cost loudly to this room full of strangers ಠ_ಠ)

a-anyway /coughs thank you for posting this basically! i also read your FAQ and it was helpful and your art is beautiful and inspiring <3

also sorry for rambling but would it be ok if i referenced your rules (with credit - or i can link here) if i begin selling adopts? q uq
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machipu Featured By Owner May 6, 2013
quite welcome, i was enamored with the details in your work * w*

i appreciate it and ty! <3
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